SOLD 12/28/02 Private
owner. 15 1/2" Basic Trail Saddle.
STYLE: round skirt. COLOR: toast w/
medium oiled edges and a silver capped
horn with braiding. PURCHASED: From
Gerri Rini May 2001 and well cared
for - very good condition. $825. Matching
Skito Pad. COLOR: Royal Blue. $75.
Contact Roni at Vdegorter@hotmail.com.
Telephone: (916) 481-8164. Posted 12/12/02.
SOLD 12/31/02 Private
owner. Used 15 1/2" Endurance
saddle, Chocolate with stirrups set
at standard for endurance. Two years
old, lightly used, Very good condition.
One set of front Dee's and 2 sets of
back Dee's. Green Skito pad included.
Price $900.00, includes shipping within
the US. Contact Desiree at des12sara@aol.com.
Posted 12/12/02.
SOLD 12/08/02. Private
owner. Beautiful, barely used 15"
DSBR, black seat, light oil, square
skirt, floral tooled with floral full
fenders, floral pick pocket with pick.
Saddle is identical to DSBR featured
on website (silver conchos, silver
corner plates, etc...) except includes
rear D-ring and floral tooled breast
collar. Asking $1300.00 + S/H (approx.
$30.00). Please call Angie at (717)359-9967
or e-mail at ajbechtell@yahoo.com.
Many more pictures available by e-mail.
Posted 11/06/02.
SOLD 12/11/02, Private
owner. 15 1/2" Basic Trail Rider
w/Round Skirts. Black suede w/medium
russet trim roll, full fenders, and
Cheyenne roll. Braided silver-capped
horn, conchos, and extra D-rings. Excellent
condition. Used one year for pleasure-trail
riding. New price was just under $1,200.
Selling for $850. I'll pay the shipping.
Contact Amy Estes at amy.estes@eds.com
or call 517-646-7398. Posted 11/13/02.
Private owner. Almost
new 16" debra sibley barrel sports
saddle. Basket weave, medium oil, toast
seat, full fenders, rear cinch, #19
braided horn, square skirt, silver
corner plates, used very little, $1450.00
plus $30 shipping, call 505 849-1127
or email shirleyfromyeso@webtv.net.
Posted 11/06/02. Sold 11/19/02.
SOLD 11/06/02 Posted 10/02/02 - Used
less than 4 times 15 1/2 inch endurance
model with Schooling and Training pommel
and 4" cantle, set of water bottle
D's, Front carriers. Stirrup rigging
set back additional 1/2 inch. Peaked
pommel. Pommel with scuff on it (horse
tried to taste it) doesn't stand out
obnoxiously. I love the saddle, I decided
to order a youth cut. Price $850 plus
$30 for shipping. Contact Paula Storlie,
218-262-4179 email pcstorlie@hibbingmn.com
SOLD 9/18/02 Posted 05/29/02 - 15"
Fancy Show Cutter #30 B/H, Choc. seat,
Smooth Out Double Jockey, Medium Oil,
Silver Laced Cantle, Silver Corner Plates.
$1395.00. Call Gerri @ 614-837-7299 or
email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
SOLD 9/18/02 Posted 07/26/02 - New
15 1/2" Debra Sibley Barrel Racer,
light oiled, diamond tooled, square skirt,
toast (rust colored) seat. Silver corner
plates, three sets silver conchos, hoof
pick pocket, 3 1/2" neck rawhide
braided silver capped horn, stirrups
set 1 1/2" more forward than standard.
$1338.00 plus $90.00 if purchasing the
diamond tooled rear cinch (optional).
S/H 30.00. Call Gerri @ 614-837-7299
or email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
SOLD 9/18/02 Posted 07/26/02 - New
16" Chocolate Schooling and training
saddle, Youth cut, Cost $795.00 plus
30.00 S/H. Call Gerri @ 614-837-7299
or email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
Youth cut means side-to-side skirting
is 2 inches shorter then normal, bringing
girth and stirrup rigging higher, which
suits shorter people better. Does not
affect front-to-back length. Good for
taller riders too, up to approx. 5'8".
Less material in the saddle means lighter
weight and lets rider get closer to horse.
SOLD 9/18/02 Posted 8/16/02 - New 13
1/2" Debra Sibley Barrel Racer,
Black seat, Dark oiled, Square skirt,
Diamond tooled, Braided/silver capped
horn, $1338.00 plus 30.00 S/H. Call Gerri
@ 614-837-7299 or email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
SOLD 9/18/02 Posted 8/16/02 - New 16"
Fancy Endurance saddle, Floral tooled,
Round skirt, Black suede seat, 4"
cantle with cheyenne roll, Medium oiled
leather, Contrast medium oiled trim at
base of pommel and cantle. Standard D
rings. $1365.00 plus $30.00 S/H. Call
Gerri @ 614-837-7299 or email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
SOLD 9/18/02 Posted 8/16/02 - New 14"
Black Endurance saddle, Two sets of front
D's, No rear D rings, No rear cinch D
ring. $795.00 plus 30.00 S/H. Call Gerri
@ 614-837-7299 or email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
SOLD 9/18/02 Posted 8/30/02 - New Black
15" Schooling and Training saddle.
Really sharp. Seat and Skirting are finished
in black suede, Endurance Pommel and
Training Cantle are finished in Black
Endurance leather, Medium-oiled Cheyenne
roll with matching medium-oiled russet
trim around base of pommel and cantle,
Black western leather covered stirrups,
Stirrups set 1/2" back from standard
position, Water bottle D's and Crupper
ring. $975.00 includes S&H. Call
Gerri @ 614-837-7299 or email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
SOLD 9/18/02 Posted 9/05/02 - New 15"
Black Endurance saddle, 4" Cantle,
Black cheyenne roll, Water bottle D's,
$1005.00 plus $30.00 S/H. Call Gerri
@ 614-837-7299 or email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
SOLD 9/10/02 Posted 07/26/02 - New
14 1/2" Debra Sibley Barrel Racer,
Youth cut skirt, Dark oiled, Floral tooled,
Floral tooled fenders, Hoof pick pocket,
Square skirt, Rust (toast) colored seat,
3 1/2" Braided/silver-capped horn.
Silver corner plates, Front swell plates,
Silver laced cantle, 3 Sets of silver
conchos. $1593.00 plus $30.00 S/H. Call
Gerri @ 614-837-7299 or email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
SOLD 9/09/02 Posted 07/17/02 - Used
15" Chocolate Barrel Racer, Two
extra D's on the back, Extra 28"
fleece girth, used for 2 years in arena
and on trails, paid $905.00, asking $700.00
buyer pays shipping contact Debbie at
dgorton02@aol.com.
SOLD 9/02/02 Posted 8/30/02 - Used
16" Deluxe Trail Rider, Leather-covered
horn, Square Skirt, Basket Weave, Medium
Oil, Tooled fenders, $1150.00. Call Gerri
@ 614-837-7299 or email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
SOLD 08/25/02 Posted 07/17/02 - Used
16" Brown Endurance Saddle. One
year old. Used only a few times lightly.
Like new. 2 sets of front Dee's. 2 sets
of back Dee's. Crupper Ring. 2 1/2"
low profile pommel and cantle. Stirrups
set at standard for endurance. Includes
original cinch that has never been used.
$900.00. Includes shipping in continental
U.S. Call Mary Feris at (360) 225-7853
or email to ferism@woodland.wednet.edu.
Also, forest green SKITO Saddle Pad.
Used only with this saddle. Also like
new. $120.00.
SOLD 08/24/02 Posted 8/16/02 - New
16" Deluxe Trail Rider, Round skirt,
Untooled (smooth-out) dark oiled leather,
Black suede seat, Braided/silver capped
horn. Two sets of rear silver conchos
and D rings, Crupper ring, One set of
front silver conchos with leather carriers,
$1165.00 plus $30.00 S/H. Call Gerri
@ 614-837-7299 or email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
SOLD 08/24/02 Posted 8/16/02 - New
14 1/2" Black Endurance saddle,
All standard features, $925.00 plus 30.00
S/H. Call Gerri @ 614-837-7299 or email
to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
SOLD 07/24/02 Posted 07/17/02 - Used
15 1/2" Endurance saddle, chocolate
with standard features (see picture on
website). Two years old but very lightly
used, in very good condition. Green Skito
pad to match, included. To buy new with
pad the saddle would cost $1150.00. Selling
price $850.00, includes shipping. Contact
Wendy at ftlewis@ctaz.com or 928-758-9166
after 5:00 pm or 5:30 pacific time (Arizona).
SOLD 07/10/02 Posted 05/29/02 - 16"
SHOW SADDLE #18 L/H, Toast Seat, Basket
weave, Medium Oil, Double Jockey, Silver
Corner Plates, Tooled Fenders $1590.00
+ S&H. Call Gerri @ 614-837-7299
or email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
SOLD 07/03/02 Posted 3/18/02 - 15"
Diamond tooled, chocolate Deluxe Trail
Saddle. Less than 1 year old. Features:
Full fenders, chocolate suede seat, square
skirt, braided horn with silver cap,
conchos, 1 set of front D's, 2 sets back
D's with crupper ring, 3" laced
stirrups. Cost new $1405.00. Price $1300.00.
Seller will pay up to $25 for shipping.
Call Stacey at 608-839-9868 or e-mail
to: garye@execpc.com.
SOLD 06/24/02 Posted 04/03/02 - New
15 ½ Basic Trail Rider,
all suede, reiner pommel, no horn, 3
½ cantle with russet leather
Cheyenne roll, rear girth dee rings,
crupper ring, laced leather stirrups.
Has not been used. Price $895.00 firm
- includes shipping. Email Leora at bia@charm.net
for details...it's beautiful!
SOLD 06/24/02 Posted 05/31/02 - 14
1/2" Debra Sibley Barrel Saddle,
New, Floral tooled youth cut, well suited
for adults or children under 5'2"
tall, Square skirt, Medium oil, Toast
seat, 3 1/2" neck braided horn,
Front swell plates on pommel, Floral
fenders, Floral hoof pick pocket. Price
$1683.00. $30.00 S&H Call Gerri at
614/837-7299 or email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
Youth cut means side- to- side skirting
is 2 inches shorter then normal, bringing
girth and stirrup rigging higher, which
suits shorter people better. Does not
affect front- to- back length. Good for
taller riders also. Less material in
the saddle means lighter weight and lets
rider get closer to horse.
SOLD 06/13/02 Posted 05/29/02 - 14
1/2" Debra Sibley Barrel Racer.
Diamond Tooled. 6 silver conchos. 4 D-rings
and full fenders. Light oil w/ toast
colored seat. Hoof pick pocket. Ridden
for one year. Always covered and clean.
Excellent condition and sells for about
$1400 new. Price $1,150 OBO. Buyer pays
shipping. Call Jill Johnson at 319 372-1136
or e-mail to: danjohnson@lisco.com.
SOLD 06/12/02 Posted 04/04/02 - New
15" Basket Weave Debra Sibley Barrel
Racer, Square Skirt, Medium oiled, toast
seat (rust color). 3 1/3" neck leather
horn. Tooled hoof pick pocket. $1438.00
including shipping. Call Gerri @ 614-837-7299
or email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
SOLD 06/12/02 Posted 05/29/02 - 15"
FANCY Edurance, Black Leather Seat, Floral
Medium Oil, 4" Cantle, Cheyenne
Roll, Conchos & Carriers, Floral
Fenders, Contrast Trim, 2" Leather
Stirrups. $1485.00 + S&H. Call Gerri
@ 614/837-7299 or email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
SOLD 06/12/02 Posted 05/29/02 - 14"
DS #19 B/H, Choc. Sq. Skirt, Youth Cut,
Medium Oil, Smooth Out Russet Leather,
Hoof Pick Pocket $ 1358.00 + S&H.
Call Gerri @ 614-837-7299 or email to:
Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
Youth cut means side- to- side skirting
is 2 inches shorter then normal, bringing
girth and stirrup rigging higher, which
suits shorter people better. Does not
affect front- to- back length. Good for
taller riders also. Less material in
the saddle means lighter weight and lets
rider get closer to horse.
SOLD 06/12/02 Posted 05/31/02 - 15"
Floral Debra Sibley Barrel Racer, New,
Square skirt, Toast seat (rust color),
2.5" Braided silver capped horn,
full fenders and rear cinch floral tooled,
Price $1658.00. $30.00 S&H, Call
Gerri at 614/837-7299 or email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
Same as the one below except for the
seat color.
SOLD 06/12/02 Posted 06/16/02 - 15
Trail Rider, Toast, fenders. Nearly new,
ridden softly half a dozen times. Price
$875 + shipping costs. Call Binnie at
254/471-5947 or email to: xxxx@centex.net.
If you want to come inspect the saddle,
we are located on a ranch about 60 miles
west of Waco, Texas.
SOLD 05/30/02 Posted 05/29/02 - 15
1/2" Endurance, All Chocolate. 4"
Cantle, Cheyenne Roll, Show Pommel no
horn, WBDs. Call Gerri @ 614-837-7299
or email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
SOLD 05/17/02 Posted 01/26/02 - USED
16" Debra Sibley Barrel Saddle.
Braided horn with silver cap, medium
oiled leather with basket weave pattern,
square skirt, dark brown seat. Loaded
with silver. It has silver corner plates,
silver conchos, and a silver laced cantle.
New $1450.00. Price $1200.00, includes
shipping. "I have used it for a
trail saddle and it is wonderful. It
is too big for me as a barrel saddle."
Call Shirley Hayman at 765 572-2835 or
email to: shirl508@aol.com.
SOLD 04/05/02 Posted 04/19/02 - 14
1/2 inch Debra Sibley Barrel Racer. 2
years old. Ridden 25 times. Toast colored
seat with a medium oil, Diamond tooling.
Rawhide braided silver-capped horn, silver
corner plates, silver laced cantle and
extra silver conchos. Full fenders, rear
cinch, hoofpick pocket. Price $1200.
Email Andrea at: aarnson@equineaffaire.com.
SOLD 5/06/02 Posted 4/05/02 - 15 ½
Brown Endurance saddle. Low profile pommel
and cantle, 2 front dees, 2 back dees,
crupper ring, stirrups set back. Excellent
condition. Price $825.00, includes shipping
in continental US. Call Tara Wheeler
at 512 365-8582 or email to: harpy@io.com.
SOLD 4/23/02 Posted 3/30/02 - 15 ½
Black Endurance saddle, One year old.
Used 10 times. 2 sets of front Dee's.
2 sets of back Dee's. 2 1/2" low
profile pommel & cantle. Price $825.00.
Shipping included. Call Debra at 301
253-1401 or email to: Dganassa@cs.com.
SOLD 4/22/02 Posted 04/04/02 - 15"
Basic Trail Rider, Toast, All suede saddle,
Square skirt. 3 years old. Cost $833.00
new. Price $650.00 includes shipping
and insurance. Call Monika at 262-662-2066
or e-mail to: pferde2@wi.rr.com.
SOLD 4/15/02 Posted 3/17/02 - 15"
Silver Show Saddle, with extra silver.
Tooled, with chocolate suede seat. Five
years old though not used for the past
few years. Leather is in nice condition,
a bit of tarnish on the silver of a rear
skirt piece. Cost new $1800. Price includes
shipping $1200. Call Bonnie at 919-542-3886
or email to: wffsurcharge@mindspring.com.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bonnie Neff
To:treeless@sportsaddle.com
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 12:17 PM
Subject: Sale
Hi Gerri, Have just sold my Show Sports
Saddle that was listed on your web page
under used saddles. It is so amazing
how fast these saddles sell and with
no question as to the price. Thanks so
much - will contact you again when we
either need to sell or to buy.
SOLD 4/11/02 Posted 04/08/02 - New
17" Black Endurance saddle. Stirrups
set back an additional ½inch
for dressage or arena work. Price $945.00
+ $30 S/H. Call Gerri @ 614-837-7299
or email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
SOLD 4/09/02 Posted 04/04/02 - New
17" Black Endurance saddle. Stirrups
in standard position for posting and
two pointing. Price $945.00 + $30 S/H.
Check "How to determine your seat
size" on Website www.sportsaddle.com
if you need to know if this size is good
for you. Call Gerri @ 614-837-7299 or
email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com
SOLD 4/7/02 Posted 02/15/02. 15"
Basic Trail Rider, Standard trail rider
stirrup rigging, All black, Owned for
8 months used 4 months, Excellent condition,
Price $795.00 - buyer pays shipping,
Reason for selling - changing to Endurance
model. Call Alice Fraas 605 745-4687
or email to: fraas@gwtc.net.
SOLD 04/02/02 Posted 02/15/02. NEW
16" Basic Barrel Racer, Round skirt,
All Chocolate Suede, Dark oiled horn
cheyenne roll knee flap & stirrupss,
Front silver concho carrier, Large cinch
dee rings, Stirrups set back 1 inch from
standard - Price includes shipping, $995.00.
Call Gerri @ 614 837-7299 or email to:
Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
SOLD 03/10/02 Posted 02/23/02 - Used
15" Chocolate Endurance saddle,
four years old and in good condition.
Stirrups set for posting and two-point
riding. Price $795.00. Contact Jill at
614 920-9272 (Ohio/EST) between 4:00
to 7:00PM, Mon. thru Fri. or email to:
hughescreek@yahoo.com. Email will be
checked several times a week.
SOLD 03/10/02 Posted 02/13/02 - New
17 Deluxe Trail rider, round skirt,
Basket weave, medium oiled, chocolate
suede seat, braided horn with silver
cap. Price includes shipping $1345.00.
Call Gerri @ 614-837-7299 or email to:
Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
SOLD 03/01/02 Posted 7/2/01 - NEW 15"
Reiner Saddle, Price reduced and includes
shipping $1255.00. Medium Oiled Basket
Weave, Toast Seat, Braided horn, with
silver cap, 3 1/2" neck. $1325.00
plus $30.00 shipping. Contact Gerri at
614.837.7299 or email to: treeless@sportsaddle.com.
SOLD 02/19/02 Posted 02/13/02 - New
14 ½ Debra Sibley Barrel
Racer, Square Skirt, Floral Tooled, Medium
oiled, Braided horn with silver cap,
neck size 2 ½ , Floral hoof
pick pocket, one extra set of front Ds
and two sets of back Ds, crupper
ring. Price $1553.00, price includes
shipping. Call Gerri @ 614-837-7299 or
email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
SOLD 02/20/02 Posted 02/13/02 - New
16 Black Schooling and Training
saddle with Endurance pommel and cantle
and a crupper ring. Price includes shipping
$905.00. Call Gerri @ 614-837-7299 or
email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
SOLD 02/20/02 Posted 02/13/02 - New
16 Deluxe trail rider, square skirt
with Montana silver corner plates , diamond
tooled, medium oiled, black suede seat.
Price includes shipping 1370.00. Call
Gerri @ 614-837-7299 or email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
SOLD 02/22/02 Posted 02/13/02 - New
15 ½ Chocolate Endurance
saddle, trail rider rigging, texlow cut.
Skirting is 3 inches longer on each side
than the standard Endurance model, best
suited for longer legged riders, but
average size riders will like it too!
Medium oiled cheynne roll on the standard
3 cantle, knee flaps are medium
oiled natural leather. Medium oiled contrast
trim around the base of pommel and cantle
and front silver concho carriers on pommel.
Includes western leather covered stirrups.
Price includes shipping, $1040.00. Call
Gerri @ 614-837-7299 or email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
SOLD 02/22/02 Posted 02/13/02 - New
15" all black Basic Trail Rider,
all endurance leather with show pommel,
leather horn, 3" endurance cantle,
can add front silver concho carriers
for $25.00 extra. Price includes shipping,
$975.00. Call Gerri @ 614-837-7299 or
email to: Treeless@SportSaddle.com.
SOLD 01/21/02 Posted 12/04/01 - Used
15" Deluxe Trail Saddle. Medium
oiled. Chocolate suede seat. Full fenders.
Square skirt. No tooling. 1 set front
Ds, 2 sets back Ds, conchos, leather
keeper, and crupper ring. 3-inch laced
stirrups. Hoof pick pocket. Original
price $1182. Asking $950. Buyer pays
shipping. Call Bonnie at 765/564-2674
(evenings ET) or e-mail ymeddy@purdue.edu.
SOLD 01/21/02 Posted 12/04/01 - Like
new, ridden in just 6 times. 17"
black Basic Trail Rider, covered in black
Endurance Leather. Dark oiled leather
horn, knee flaps, stirrups and Cheyenne
roll. One set of front D's, two sets
of rear D's and a crupper ring. Front,
silver concho carriers. $895.00, buyer
pays shipping. Contact Ann @ 865-933-3055
or 933-7909, email to: tundraponi@aol.com.
SOLD 12/30/01 Posted 12/18/01 - New
16" black Endurance saddle. $945.00.
plus 30.00 shipping. All Standard features
for this model. Contact Gerri Rini at
614.837.7299 or email to: treeless@sportsaddle.com.
SOLD 12/30/01 Posted 12/18/01 - New
16" black Endurance saddle. Discounted
to $895.00 from $945.00. S/H $30.00.
Contact Gerri Rini at 614.837.7299 or
email to: treeless@sportsaddle.com.
SOLD 12/22/01 Posted 11/27/01 - 13
1/2" Debra Sibley Barrel Racer,
Braided Horn, black Square Skirt, Smooth
Out Dark Oil. $900.00 30.00 S/H. call
Gerri Rini at 614-837-7299 or email at
treeless@sportsaddle.com.
SOLD 11/3/01 USED infrequently for
two years; 16" (Bob Marshall Treeless
Sport Saddle) Show Saddle model, Basket
weave, Light Oil finish, Montana Silver,
black smooth leather seat; Excellent
condition; $1600.00 new; will sell for
$1400.00 including shipping; email to:
mtclarefrm@aol.com or call Mt. Clare
Farm at 301-599-6688.
SOLD 10/30/01 Posted 12/12/01 - New
15 1/2" Chocolate Endurance Saddle.
$895.00 plus 30.00 S/H. Contact Gerri
Rini at 614.837.7299 or email to: treeless@sportsaddle.com.
SOLD 10/30/01 Posted 12/12/01 - New
15" Black Endurance Saddle. All
standard features. $895.00 plus 30.00
S/H Contact Gerri Rini at 614.837.7299
or email to: treeless@sportsaddle.com.
SOLD 10/27/01 14 1/2" Bob Marshall
treeless Debra Sibley barrel racer. Medium
Oiled, Floral tooled, Square Skirt, Short
Horn, 2 1/2" (low) rawhide braided
silver capped horn, black seat, no silver
corner plates. $1513.00. Includes shipping.
Contact Gerri Rini at 614.837.7299 or
email to: treeless@sportsaddle.com. Posted
10/25/01.
SOLD 10/30/01 USED (like new) 15"
floral tooled Deluxe Trail saddle, square
skirt, full floral fenders, medium oiled,
black seat. Will sell for $1200 or best
offer. Seller pays shipping. Contact
atrevett@mcw.edu or call (262) 594-5746
and ask for Andrea. To see floral tooling
on a Sport Saddle, visit www.sportsaddle.com
and click on the Debra Sibley barrel
saddle section. Posted 10-05-01.
SOLD 9/27/01 NEW 16" Barrel Racer,
Square skirt, Smooth un-tooled leather,
Light oiled, Toast seat, Tall leather
covered horn, 2 sets of rear conchos,
1 set of front concho carriers, Priced
below cost - Sell for $1000.00 includes
shipping, Call Melinda at 209 304-6610
in California or Email to: . Posted 7/11/01.
SOLD 8/9/01 NEW 15" Black Schooling/Training
saddle, Stirrups back 1 1/2", Dark-oiled
cheyenne roll, Peaked pommel, crupper
ring, Extra set of back Dee's, Dark-oiled
chap flap, Front silver conchos/dark-oiled
carriers. $915.00, shipping $30.00. Contact
Gerri Rini at 614.837.7299 or email to:
treeless@sportsaddle.com. Posted 8/9/01.